{"id":2616,"date":"2010-03-04T20:03:28","date_gmt":"2010-03-04T19:03:28","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/histoire\/?p=2616"},"modified":"2010-03-04T20:03:28","modified_gmt":"2010-03-04T19:03:28","slug":"polemique-actuelle-les-allies-ont-ils-abandonne-les-juifs","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/Blog\/2010\/03\/04\/polemique-actuelle-les-allies-ont-ils-abandonne-les-juifs\/","title":{"rendered":"Pol\u00e9mique actuelle: Les alli\u00e9s ont-ils abandonn\u00e9 les juifs?"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"dipity_embed\" style=\"width:540px;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.dipity.com\/Nouvelobscom\/personal\/embed_tl\">http:\/\/www.dipity.com\/Nouvelobscom\/personal\/embed_tl<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin:0;font-family:Arial, sans;font-size:13px;text-align:center;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.dipity.com\/Nouvelobscom\/personal\">Shoah : ce que savaient les alli\u00e9;s<\/a> sur Dipity.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>En ao\u00fbt 2009,\u00a0Yannick Haenel publiait\u00a0son roman <em>Jan Karski<\/em> (1914-2000), r\u00e9sistant des bords de la Vistule pris en tenaille par l\u2019agression hitl\u00e9ro-stalinienne de 1939, devenu coursier du gouvernement polonais en exil (\u00e0 Angers puis \u00e0 Londres), t\u00e9moin singulier de l\u2019entreprise nazie de destruction des Juifs d\u2019Europe, sur laquelle il tenta, en vain, d\u2019alerter jusqu\u2019\u00e0 Churchill et Roosevelt.<\/p>\n<p>Dans ses deux premiers chapitres, Y. Haenel rendait compte du\u00a0du t\u00e9moignage livr\u00e9 en 1978 par Karski pour <em>Shoah<\/em> de Claude Lanzmann, puis du livre publi\u00e9 d\u00e8s 1944 par Karski \u00e0 Boston, S<em>tory of a Secret State<\/em>.\u00a0Dans son troisi\u00e8me chapitre, apr\u00e8s le dit et l\u2019\u00e9crit du t\u00e9moin, Haenel passe alors du proc\u00e8s-verbal \u00e0 la fiction et son r\u00e9cit prend la forme d\u2019un recueillement r\u00e9capitulatif, au soir de sa vie, du vieil homme qui a but\u00e9 sur l\u2019intransmissible.<\/p>\n<p>En r\u00e9pondant par l&rsquo;affirmative \u00e0 la question:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Les alli\u00e9s ont-ils abandonn\u00e9 les juifs?<\/strong><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Yannick Haenel relan\u00e7ait ainsi la pol\u00e9mique tout en s&rsquo;en prenant \u00e0 Claude Lanzman d&rsquo;o\u00f9 une offensive rondement men\u00e9e par Claude Lanzman et Annette Wieviorka en ce d\u00e9but 2009. Ainsi, en janvier 2009\u00a0dans la revue\u00a0<em>Histoire<\/em> (no 349), Annette Wieviorka publiait un article,\u00a0intitul\u00e9\u00a0<em>Faux t\u00e9moignage <span style=\"font-style:normal;\">et <\/span><span style=\"font-style:normal;\">critiquait le roman de Haenel en r\u00e9pondant par la n\u00e9gative \u00e0 la question <\/span><strong>Le romancier a-t-il tout les droit?<\/strong><span style=\"font-style:normal;\"> <\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"font-style:normal;\">En ce d\u00e9but mars, alors qu&rsquo;<\/span>Arte<span style=\"font-style:normal;\"> diffusera le <\/span>Rapport Karski<span style=\"font-style:normal;\">, la r\u00e9ponse de Claude Lanzman \u00e0 Haenel o\u00f9 il\u00a0reprend la d\u00e9position int\u00e9grale du t\u00e9moignage de Karski pour Shoah, <\/span>le Nouvel Observateur<span style=\"font-style:normal;\"> construit, sous le couvert de la question de l&rsquo;abandon des juifs par les alli\u00e9s, \u00e0 son tour un proc\u00e8s \u00e0 charge contre Haenel en offrant largement ses pages \u00e0\u00a0Claude Lanzman <a href=\"http:\/\/tempsreel.nouvelobs.com\/actualites\/culture\/20100303.OBS8629\/claude_lanzmann__les_juifs_netaient_pas_le_centre_du_mo.html\" target=\"_blank\">(Claude Lanzmann : \u00ab\u00a0Les juifs n&rsquo;\u00e9taient pas le centre du monde\u00a0\u00bb<\/a>) et Annette Wieviorka (<a href=\"http:\/\/tempsreel.nouvelobs.com\/actualites\/culture\/20100303.OBS8635\/le_vrai_karski.html\" target=\"_blank\">Le vrai Karski<\/a>).<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"font-style:normal;\">D\u00e9j\u00e0 violemment attaqu\u00e9 par Claude Lanzman dans <\/span>Marianne <span style=\"font-style:normal;\">(<a href=\"http:\/\/www.marianne2.fr\/Jan-Karski-de-Yannick-Haenel-un-faux-roman_a184324.html\" target=\"_blank\">\u00ab\u00a0Jan Karski\u00a0\u00bb de Yannick Haenel: un faux roman<\/a>), Yannick Haenel lui a r\u00e9pondu sur <\/span>M\u00e9diapart<span style=\"font-style:normal;\">:<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<div><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"425\" height=\"334\" src=\"https:\/\/www.dailymotion.com\/embed\/video\/xbzl35\" style=\"border:0;\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<p>Puis M\u00e9diapart, redonne la parole \u00e0 Claude Lanzman:<\/p>\n<div><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"425\" height=\"334\" src=\"https:\/\/www.dailymotion.com\/embed\/video\/xc3uzk\" style=\"border:0;\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<p>Pour en revenir \u00e0 l&rsquo;histoire et \u00e0 son enseignement pour celles et ceux qui utiliseraient Shoah, je terminerai avec les explications de Claude Lanzman sur les raisons qui l&rsquo;avaient conduit \u00e0 n&rsquo;utiliser dans son film que partiellement le t\u00e9moignage de Jan Karski. En effet, la pol\u00e9mique actuelle aura au moins eu le m\u00e9rite, d&rsquo;une part,\u00a0d&rsquo;expliciter les intentions de Claude Lanzman avec ce t\u00e9moignage dans Shoah\u00a0et, d&rsquo;autre part,\u00a0de nous donner l&rsquo;int\u00e9gralit\u00e9 de ce dernier (Le <em>Rapport Karski<\/em> prochainement sur <em>Arte<\/em>):<\/p>\n<div><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"425\" height=\"334\" src=\"https:\/\/www.dailymotion.com\/embed\/video\/xc3v47\" style=\"border:0;\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<p><strong>La frise chronologique dans son contexte de publication:<\/strong> <a href=\"http:\/\/tempsreel.nouvelobs.com\/actualites\/culture\/20100303.OBS8643\/shoah__ce_que_savaient_les_allies_la_chronologie.html\">Shoah : ce que savaient les alli\u00e9s (la chronologie), Culture &#8211; Information NouvelObs.com<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>http:\/\/www.dipity.com\/Nouvelobscom\/personal\/embed_tl Shoah : ce que savaient les alli\u00e9;s sur Dipity. En ao\u00fbt 2009,\u00a0Yannick Haenel publiait\u00a0son roman Jan Karski (1914-2000), r\u00e9sistant des bords de la Vistule pris en tenaille par l\u2019agression hitl\u00e9ro-stalinienne de 1939, devenu coursier du gouvernement polonais en exil (\u00e0 Angers puis \u00e0 Londres), t\u00e9moin singulier de l\u2019entreprise nazie de destruction des Juifs d\u2019Europe, [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":14676,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_import_markdown_pro_load_document_selector":0,"_import_markdown_pro_submit_text_textarea":"","_genesis_hide_title":false,"_genesis_hide_breadcrumbs":false,"_genesis_hide_singular_image":false,"_genesis_hide_footer_widgets":false,"_genesis_custom_body_class":"","_genesis_custom_post_class":"","_genesis_layout":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"activitypub_content_warning":"","activitypub_content_visibility":"","activitypub_max_image_attachments":3,"activitypub_interaction_policy_quote":"anyone","activitypub_status":"","footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"fullscreen","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[2],"tags":[78,485,486,18,479,487,488,33,489],"class_list":{"0":"post-2616","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-histoire-2","8":"tag-39-45","9":"tag-annette-wieviorka","10":"tag-claude-lanzman","11":"tag-filmhistoire","12":"tag-filmshistoire","13":"tag-genocide-juif","14":"tag-jan-karski","15":"tag-shoah","16":"tag-yannick-haenel","17":"entry"},"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"featured_image_src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/sc3t.jpg?resize=600%2C400&ssl=1","featured_image_src_square":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/sc3t.jpg?resize=600%2C480&ssl=1","author_info":{"display_name":"Lyonel Kaufmann","author_link":"https:\/\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/Blog\/author\/lyonelk\/"},"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/sc3t.jpg?fit=640%2C480&ssl=1","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p1qtF4-Gc","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":3768,"url":"https:\/\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/Blog\/2011\/05\/27\/etudes-photo-n27-le-rapport-karski-cinemadoc\/","url_meta":{"origin":2616,"position":0},"title":"Etudes Photo n\u00b027 \u2013 Le Rapport Karski | Cin\u00e9madoc","author":"Lyonel Kaufmann","date":"27 mai 2011","format":false,"excerpt":"En 1977, Claude Lanzmann et son \u00e9quipe ont retrouv\u00e9 le r\u00e9sistant polonais Jan Karski. 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