{"id":26604,"date":"2025-02-13T17:34:03","date_gmt":"2025-02-13T16:34:03","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/Blog\/?p=26604"},"modified":"2025-02-13T17:34:42","modified_gmt":"2025-02-13T16:34:42","slug":"google-wikipedia-et-chatgpt-les-trois-cavaliers-de-lapocalypse-qui-ne-vient-pas-affordance-info","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/Blog\/2025\/02\/13\/google-wikipedia-et-chatgpt-les-trois-cavaliers-de-lapocalypse-qui-ne-vient-pas-affordance-info\/","title":{"rendered":"Google, Wikip\u00e9dia et ChatGPT. Les trois cavaliers de l\u2019apocalypse (qui ne vient pas). \u2013 affordance.info"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Dans quel cycle historique inscrire ChatGPT ? Deux interpr\u00e9tations sont possibles : dans l\u2019une, il constitue la troisi\u00e8me \u00e9tape d\u2019un processus marqu\u00e9 par l\u2019invention du t\u00e9l\u00e9graphe, puis par celle des r\u00e9seaux sociaux ; dans l\u2019autre, il prolonge l\u2019invention de Google, puis de Wikip\u00e9dia. Mais ChatGPT se diff\u00e9rencie aussi de ces deux acteurs car son processus de r\u00e9\u00e9criture permanente n\u2019est pas tra\u00e7able.<\/p>\n<p>Pour ma part, je retiens et je partage :<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>\u00ab Pour le r\u00e9sumer d\u2019une formule, Google affiche des liens qui font connaissance, Wikip\u00e9dia affiche des connaissances qui font lien. ChatGPT fait conversation autant que conservation de connaissances sans liens et de liens sans connaissances. ChatGPT est une \u00e9ditorialisation ivre, en permanence d\u00e9plac\u00e9e, d\u00e9s\u00e9ditorialis\u00e9e et r\u00e9\u00e9ditorialis\u00e9e comme Guattari et Deleuze parlaient de d\u00e9territorialisation et de reterritorialisation. \u00bb<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>J&rsquo;aime bien aussi :<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u00ab l\u00e0 o\u00f9 le palimpseste de Google se donne \u00e0 lire dans les liens affich\u00e9s sur sa page, l\u00e0 o\u00f9 le palimpseste de Wikip\u00e9dia se donne \u00e0 lire derri\u00e8re l\u2019historique de chaque page, celui de ChatGPT est essentiellement inauditable, intra\u00e7able, inaccessible, inv\u00e9rifiable, impossible ; il est l\u2019aporie du palimspeste : pleinement \u00e9vident et parfaitement intra\u00e7able. \u00bb<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Source\u00a0: <em><a href=\"https:\/\/affordance.framasoft.org\/2025\/02\/google-wikipedia-et-chatgpt-les-trois-cavaliers-de-lapocalypse-qui-ne-vient-pas\/\">Google, Wikip\u00e9dia et ChatGPT. Les trois cavaliers de l\u2019apocalypse (qui ne vient pas). \u2013 affordance.info<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n<p>Tags : <a rel=\"tag\" class=\"hashtag u-tag u-category\" href=\"https:\/\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/Blog\/tag\/chatgpt\/\">#chatGPT<\/a> <a rel=\"tag\" class=\"hashtag u-tag u-category\" href=\"https:\/\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/Blog\/tag\/google\/\">#Google<\/a> <a rel=\"tag\" class=\"hashtag u-tag u-category\" href=\"https:\/\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/Blog\/tag\/wikipedia\/\">#Wikipedia<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Dans quel cycle historique inscrire ChatGPT ? Deux interpr\u00e9tations sont possibles : dans l\u2019une, il constitue la troisi\u00e8me \u00e9tape d\u2019un processus marqu\u00e9 par l\u2019invention du t\u00e9l\u00e9graphe, puis par celle des r\u00e9seaux sociaux ; dans l\u2019autre, il prolonge l\u2019invention de Google, puis de Wikip\u00e9dia. Mais ChatGPT se diff\u00e9rencie aussi de ces deux acteurs car son processus [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":26606,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_import_markdown_pro_load_document_selector":0,"_import_markdown_pro_submit_text_textarea":"","_genesis_hide_title":false,"_genesis_hide_breadcrumbs":false,"_genesis_hide_singular_image":false,"_genesis_hide_footer_widgets":false,"_genesis_custom_body_class":"","_genesis_custom_post_class":"","_genesis_layout":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"activitypub_content_warning":"","activitypub_content_visibility":"","activitypub_max_image_attachments":3,"activitypub_interaction_policy_quote":"anyone","activitypub_status":"federated","footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"fullscreen","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[3],"tags":[1647,169,454],"class_list":{"0":"post-26604","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-blogcafe-2","8":"tag-chatgpt","9":"tag-google","10":"tag-wikipedia","11":"entry"},"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"featured_image_src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Capture-decran-2025-02-12-a-10.21.23.png?resize=600%2C400&ssl=1","featured_image_src_square":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Capture-decran-2025-02-12-a-10.21.23.png?resize=600%2C600&ssl=1","author_info":{"display_name":"Lyonel Kaufmann","author_link":"https:\/\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/Blog\/author\/lyonelk\/"},"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Capture-decran-2025-02-12-a-10.21.23.png?fit=1654%2C1444&ssl=1","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p1qtF4-6V6","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":23564,"url":"https:\/\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/Blog\/2023\/04\/13\/journal-allemand-demande-a-chatgpt-comment-regler-la-guerre-en-ukraine\/","url_meta":{"origin":26604,"position":0},"title":"Un journal allemand demande \u00e0 ChatGPT comment r\u00e9gler la guerre en Ukraine","author":"Lyonel Kaufmann","date":"13 avril 2023","format":false,"excerpt":"\u201cL\u2019intelligence artificielle peut-elle aider \u00e0 r\u00e9soudre la guerre en Ukraine ?\u201d La Berliner Zeitung est partie de ce postulat et a demand\u00e9 \u00e0 ChatGPT de r\u00e9gler le conflit entre Moscou et Kiev. 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