{"id":2935,"date":"2010-06-24T09:59:19","date_gmt":"2010-06-24T08:59:19","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/histoire\/?p=2935"},"modified":"2010-06-24T09:59:19","modified_gmt":"2010-06-24T08:59:19","slug":"quand-le-film-defie-lhistorien-robert-a-rosenstone-cinemadoc","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/Blog\/2010\/06\/24\/quand-le-film-defie-lhistorien-robert-a-rosenstone-cinemadoc\/","title":{"rendered":"Quand le film d\u00e9fie l\u2019historien \u2013 Robert A. Rosenstone | Cin\u00e9madoc"},"content":{"rendered":"<blockquote><p><em>Dans son article, Robert Rosenstone part du constat que les historiens critiquent les films historiques, car ils interpr\u00e8tent ces derniers \u00e0 l\u2019aune de leurs propres exigences acad\u00e9miques. Pour l\u2019auteur, cette critique masque un double d\u00e9ni. En fait, d\u2019un c\u00f4t\u00e9 les historiens critiquent les films car ils se rendent compte qu\u2019ils assument \u00e9galement la transmission du pass\u00e9 et, de l\u2019autre, ils refusent d\u2019accepter que les films influencent \u00e9galement leur vision du pass\u00e9. Il invite par cons\u00e9quent ses coll\u00e8gues \u00e0 \u201c<strong>prendre au s\u00e9rieux\u201d<\/strong> le cin\u00e9ma (p. 164). Il divise ensuite le cin\u00e9ma en trois cat\u00e9gories (fiction, documentaire, docudrama) et choisit de s\u2019int\u00e9resser \u00e0 la fiction. Il divise cette cat\u00e9gorie en deux : les films grand public et les films exp\u00e9rimentaux, qu\u2019il nomme post-modernes.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Robert A. Rosenstone, \u201c\u201d<a style=\"text-decoration:none;outline-style:none;outline-width:initial;outline-color:initial;color:#cc0000;\" href=\"http:\/\/www.persee.fr\/web\/revues\/home\/prescript\/article\/xxs_0294-1759_1995_num_46_1_3164\" target=\"_blank\">Like writing history whith lighting\u201d : Film historique\/v\u00e9rit\u00e9 historique<\/a>\u201c,\u00a0<em>Vingti\u00e8me Si\u00e8cle. Revue d\u2019histoire<\/em>, n\u00b046, 1995, p. 163<\/p>\n<p>Pour le reste, je ne peux que vous inciter \u00e0 lire l&rsquo;entier de l&rsquo;excellent article de R\u00e9my Besson. En plus, vous avez aussi la possibilit\u00e9 de lire en ligne l&rsquo;article de Rosenstone.<\/p>\n<p>via\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/culturevisuelle.org\/cinemadoc\/2010\/06\/23\/robert-rosenstone\/\">Quand le film d\u00e9fie l\u2019historien \u2013 Robert A. Rosenstone | Cin\u00e9madoc<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Dans son article, Robert Rosenstone part du constat que les historiens critiquent les films historiques, car ils interpr\u00e8tent ces derniers \u00e0 l\u2019aune de leurs propres exigences acad\u00e9miques. Pour l\u2019auteur, cette critique masque un double d\u00e9ni. En fait, d\u2019un c\u00f4t\u00e9 les historiens critiquent les films car ils se rendent compte qu\u2019ils assument \u00e9galement la transmission du [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":14680,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_import_markdown_pro_load_document_selector":0,"_import_markdown_pro_submit_text_textarea":"","_genesis_hide_title":false,"_genesis_hide_breadcrumbs":false,"_genesis_hide_singular_image":false,"_genesis_hide_footer_widgets":false,"_genesis_custom_body_class":"","_genesis_custom_post_class":"","_genesis_layout":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"activitypub_content_warning":"","activitypub_content_visibility":"","activitypub_max_image_attachments":3,"activitypub_interaction_policy_quote":"anyone","activitypub_status":"","footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"fullscreen","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[2],"tags":[195,18],"class_list":{"0":"post-2935","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-histoire-2","8":"tag-cinema","9":"tag-filmhistoire","10":"entry"},"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"featured_image_src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/blogcafe1.jpg?resize=600%2C400&ssl=1","featured_image_src_square":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/blogcafe1.jpg?resize=600%2C600&ssl=1","author_info":{"display_name":"Lyonel Kaufmann","author_link":"https:\/\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/Blog\/author\/lyonelk\/"},"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/blogcafe1.jpg?fit=1024%2C683&ssl=1","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p1qtF4-Ll","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":311,"url":"https:\/\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/Blog\/2009\/02\/22\/extraits-du-film-revolution-francaise-de-robert-enrico-sur-dailymotion\/","url_meta":{"origin":2935,"position":0},"title":"\u00ab\u00a0R\u00e9volution fran\u00e7aise\u00a0\u00bb de Robert Enrico sur DailyMotion","author":"Lyonel Kaufmann","date":"22 f\u00e9vrier 2009","format":false,"excerpt":"http:\/\/www.dailymotion.com\/swf\/x2r7ig La R\u00e9volution Fran\u00e7aise - Discours de Danton par Kronos59 31 extraits du film de Robert Enrico dans ce Groupe Daily Motion. 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