{"id":11511,"date":"2016-05-28T17:42:24","date_gmt":"2016-05-28T16:42:24","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/histoire\/?p=11511"},"modified":"2016-05-28T17:42:24","modified_gmt":"2016-05-28T16:42:24","slug":"vu-dallemagne-verdun-un-carnage-inutile-le-figaro","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/histoire\/2016\/05\/28\/vu-dallemagne-verdun-un-carnage-inutile-le-figaro\/","title":{"rendered":"Vu d&rsquo;Allemagne : \u00abVerdun, un carnage inutile\u00bb &#8211; Le Figaro"},"content":{"rendered":"<figure><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/histoire\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/Image-28.05.16-18-41.jpeg?ssl=1\" \/><\/figure>\n<p>Alors que le dimanche 29 mai, les Fran\u00e7ais comm\u00e9moreront le centenaire de la bataille de Verdun, Le Figaro interviewe l&rsquo;historien allemand <a href=\"https:\/\/fr.m.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Gerd_Krumeich\">Gerd Krumeich<\/a>, sp\u00e9cialiste de la Premi\u00e8re Guerre mondiale. Ce dernier a publi\u00e9 en novembre dernier <em>Verdun 1916<\/em> (Tallandier), avec l&rsquo;historien fran\u00e7ais Antoine Prost. Deux extraits de cet interview.<\/p>\n<p><strong>La France et l&rsquo;Allemagne vont comm\u00e9morer le centenaire de la bataille de Verdun. Quelle place occupe cette bataille dans l&rsquo;histoire allemande? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>La <a href=\"http:\/\/plus.lefigaro.fr\/tag\/bataille-de-verdun\">bataille de Verdun<\/a> n&rsquo;a pas la m\u00eame place dans la m\u00e9moire allemande que dans celle de la France. Depuis les ann\u00e9es 1920 et encore aujourd&rsquo;hui, Verdun est per\u00e7ue comme un carnage absurde, o\u00f9 plus de 140.000 soldats sont tomb\u00e9s pour rien. Ils ont combattu malgr\u00e9 la strat\u00e9gie insens\u00e9e du <a href=\"http:\/\/premium.lefigaro.fr\/histoire\/2016\/02\/16\/26001-20160216ARTFIG00310-falkenhayn-celui-qui-voulait-saigner-a-blanc-l-armee-francaise.php\">g\u00e9n\u00e9ral Falkenhayn<\/a> et se sont sacrifi\u00e9s pour l&rsquo;Allemagne. Cet aspect a \u00e9t\u00e9 utilis\u00e9 ensuite par la propagande nazie. Apr\u00e8s la Deuxi\u00e8me Guerre mondiale et ses horreurs, la bataille est tomb\u00e9e dans l&rsquo;oubli. Puis Verdun est devenu un lieu de rencontre entre v\u00e9t\u00e9rans allemands et fran\u00e7ais. La compr\u00e9hension franco-allemande s&rsquo;y est d\u00e9velopp\u00e9e au fur et \u00e0 mesure et Verdun s&rsquo;est transform\u00e9 en lieu de r\u00e9conciliation.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Comment la bataille de Verdun est-elle enseign\u00e9e dans les \u00e9coles allemandes?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Elle l&rsquo;est tr\u00e8s peu. On \u00e9voque les morts et son inutilit\u00e9. La photo de la poign\u00e9e de mains entre Kohl et Mitterrand, en 1984, est reproduite dans tous les manuels. Verdun c\u017dest le symbole d&rsquo;une histoire commune et d&rsquo;un deuil commun. Verdun nous rappelle que l&rsquo;entente franco-allemande est essentielle pour que vive l&rsquo;Europe.<\/p>\n<p>L&rsquo;article du Figaro : <a href=\"http:\/\/www.lefigaro.fr\/culture\/2016\/02\/19\/03004-20160219ARTFIG00236-gerd-krumeich-un-carnage-inutile.php\">Vu d&rsquo;Allemagne : \u00abVerdun, un carnage inutile\u00bb<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Alors que le dimanche 29 mai, les Fran\u00e7ais comm\u00e9moreront le centenaire de la bataille de Verdun, Le Figaro interviewe l&rsquo;historien allemand Gerd Krumeich, sp\u00e9cialiste de la Premi\u00e8re Guerre mondiale. Ce dernier a publi\u00e9 en novembre dernier Verdun 1916 (Tallandier), avec l&rsquo;historien fran\u00e7ais Antoine Prost. Deux extraits de cet interview. La France et l&rsquo;Allemagne vont comm\u00e9morer [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":11513,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_import_markdown_pro_load_document_selector":0,"_import_markdown_pro_submit_text_textarea":"","_genesis_hide_title":false,"_genesis_hide_breadcrumbs":false,"_genesis_hide_singular_image":false,"_genesis_hide_footer_widgets":false,"_genesis_custom_body_class":"","_genesis_custom_post_class":"","_genesis_layout":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[5,11,13],"tags":[],"class_list":{"0":"post-11511","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-histoire-savante","8":"category-nouvelles-de-lhistoire","9":"category-opinionsreflexions","10":"entry"},"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"featured_image_src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/histoire\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/Image-28.05.16-18-41-1.jpeg.jpg?resize=600%2C400&ssl=1","featured_image_src_square":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/histoire\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/Image-28.05.16-18-41-1.jpeg.jpg?resize=600%2C600&ssl=1","author_info":{"display_name":"Lyonel Kaufmann","author_link":"https:\/\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/histoire\/author\/lyonelk\/"},"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/histoire\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/Image-28.05.16-18-41-1.jpeg.jpg?fit=950%2C633&ssl=1","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p1rJVM-2ZF","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":11515,"url":"https:\/\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/histoire\/2016\/05\/28\/audoin-rouzeau-a-verdun-le-devoir-de-memoire-la-emporte-sur-le-devoir-dhistoire\/","url_meta":{"origin":11511,"position":0},"title":"Audoin-Rouzeau : \u00ab\u00c0 Verdun, le devoir de m\u00e9moire l&rsquo;a emport\u00e9 sur le devoir d&rsquo;histoire","author":"Lyonel Kaufmann","date":"28 mai 2016","format":false,"excerpt":"Dans cet autre article du Figaro consacr\u00e9 aux comm\u00e9morations de la bataille de Verdun, St\u00e9phane Audoin-Rouzeau revient sur une bataille qui, d\u00e8s 1916, a repr\u00e9sent\u00e9 un v\u00e9ritable mythe pour la nation fran\u00e7aise. Il y regrette particuli\u00e8rement que, contrairement aux propositions de la Mission du centenaire, le pouvoir politique n'ait pas\u2026","rel":"","context":"Dans &quot;Histoire savante&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Histoire savante","link":"https:\/\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/histoire\/category\/didactique\/histoire-savante\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":13300,"url":"https:\/\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/histoire\/2017\/09\/08\/un-mooc-sur-verdun-1917-1918-batailles-oubliees-francais-allemands-et-americains-dans-la-tourmente\/","url_meta":{"origin":11511,"position":1},"title":"Un Mooc sur \u00ab Verdun 1917-1918 : batailles oubli\u00e9es ? 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Des textes courts, souvent illustr\u00e9s, dont seul l\u2019assemblage construit un discours, sans d\u00e9monstration acad\u00e9mique. L'ouvrage est construit en 9 sections. Le choix des lieux, par exemple, marque la volont\u00e9 des\u2026","rel":"","context":"Dans &quot;Histoire savante&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Histoire savante","link":"https:\/\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/histoire\/category\/didactique\/histoire-savante\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/histoire\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/Image-28.05.16-18-25-2.jpeg.jpg?fit=377%2C499&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]},{"id":13736,"url":"https:\/\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/histoire\/2018\/01\/22\/vers-la-fin-du-centenaire-limportance-de-la-commemoration-de-la-grande-guerre-pour-les-relations-franco-allemandes\/","url_meta":{"origin":11511,"position":3},"title":"Vers la fin du Centenaire : l\u2019importance de\u00a0la\u00a0comm\u00e9moration de\u00a0la\u00a0Grande\u00a0Guerre pour\u00a0les\u00a0relations franco-allemandes","author":"Lyonel Kaufmann","date":"22 janvier 2018","format":false,"excerpt":"L\u2019ann\u00e9e 2018 marque la fin du Centenaire de la Premi\u00e8re Guerre mondiale. M\u00eame si le cycle des actes comm\u00e9moratifs se poursuit, cet article de The Conversation dresse un premier bilan de ce que ce Centenaire a signifi\u00e9 pour les relations franco-allemandes. Pour les relations franco-allemandes, l\u2019\u00e9v\u00e8nement a \u00e9t\u00e9 crucial :\u2026","rel":"","context":"Dans &quot;Nouvelles de l'histoire&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Nouvelles de l'histoire","link":"https:\/\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/histoire\/category\/nouvelles-de-lhistoire\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/histoire\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/26BECEC2-1EFA-467C-BA57-9D363A4848BC.48638488f3fa4ad2b2776ea2227406cf.jpeg?fit=926%2C568&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/histoire\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/26BECEC2-1EFA-467C-BA57-9D363A4848BC.48638488f3fa4ad2b2776ea2227406cf.jpeg?fit=926%2C568&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/histoire\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/26BECEC2-1EFA-467C-BA57-9D363A4848BC.48638488f3fa4ad2b2776ea2227406cf.jpeg?fit=926%2C568&ssl=1&resize=525%2C300 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/histoire\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/26BECEC2-1EFA-467C-BA57-9D363A4848BC.48638488f3fa4ad2b2776ea2227406cf.jpeg?fit=926%2C568&ssl=1&resize=700%2C400 2x"},"classes":[]},{"id":194,"url":"https:\/\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/histoire\/2007\/05\/17\/links-for-2007-05-17\/","url_meta":{"origin":11511,"position":4},"title":"Liens (17.05.2007)","author":"Lyonel Kaufmann","date":"17 mai 2007","format":false,"excerpt":"CyberCeltes G\u00e9r\u00e9 par un conservateur de la Biblioth\u00e8que universitaire de Bron (Universit\u00e9 Lumi\u00e8re Lyon 2), CyberCeltes est un r\u00e9pertoire s\u00e9lectif des sites Web consacr\u00e9s \u00e0 l'histoire des anciens Celtes et \u00e0 l'arch\u00e9ologie du monde celtique et gallo-romain. 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