{"id":4560,"date":"2009-12-27T21:22:44","date_gmt":"2009-12-27T20:22:44","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/histoire\/2009\/12\/27\/apres-trois-ans-dapres-discussions-des-experts\/"},"modified":"2009-12-27T21:22:44","modified_gmt":"2009-12-27T20:22:44","slug":"apres-trois-ans-dapres-discussions-des-experts","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/histoire\/2009\/12\/27\/apres-trois-ans-dapres-discussions-des-experts\/","title":{"rendered":"Historiens japonais et chinois toujours divis\u00e9s sur le massacre de Nankin &#8211; Le Monde.fr"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Apr\u00e8s trois ans d&#8217;\u00e2pres discussions, des experts japonais et chinois n&#8217;ont pas r\u00e9ussi \u00e0 rapprocher leurs points de vue sur l&#8217;histoire douloureuse de l&#8217;occupation japonaise en Chine dans les ann\u00e9es 30 et 40, en particulier sur le massacre de Nankin de 1937.<br \/>\nDix historiens de chaque pays avaient \u00e9t\u00e9 charg\u00e9s en 2006 de passer en revue l&#8217;histoire des relations sino-japonaises depuis l&#8217;\u00e9poque m\u00e9di\u00e9vale jusqu&#8217;\u00e0 l&#8217;\u00e9poque moderne. Mais lors d&#8217;une conf\u00e9rence de presse tenue jeudi soir \u00e0 l&#8217;issue des travaux, ces experts ont reconnu qu&#8217;ils n&#8217;\u00e9taient pas parvenus \u00e0 avoir une position commune sur le massacre commis en 1937 par les troupes nippones dans la capitale chinoise de l&#8217;\u00e9poque, Nankin (est de la Chine).<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Apr\u00e8s trois ans d&#8217;\u00e2pres discussions, des experts japonais et chinois n&#8217;ont pas r\u00e9ussi \u00e0 rapprocher leurs points de vue sur l&#8217;histoire douloureuse de l&#8217;occupation japonaise en Chine dans les ann\u00e9es 30 et 40, en particulier sur le massacre de Nankin de 1937. Dix historiens de chaque pays avaient \u00e9t\u00e9 charg\u00e9s en 2006 de passer en [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":9896,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"quote","meta":{"_import_markdown_pro_load_document_selector":0,"_import_markdown_pro_submit_text_textarea":"","_genesis_hide_title":false,"_genesis_hide_breadcrumbs":false,"_genesis_hide_singular_image":false,"_genesis_hide_footer_widgets":false,"_genesis_custom_body_class":"","_genesis_custom_post_class":"","_genesis_layout":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[11],"tags":[],"class_list":{"0":"post-4560","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-quote","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-nouvelles-de-lhistoire","8":"post_format-post-format-quote","9":"entry"},"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"featured_image_src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/histoire\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/06\/signature_lk2.jpg?resize=600%2C184&ssl=1","featured_image_src_square":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/histoire\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/06\/signature_lk2.jpg?resize=600%2C184&ssl=1","author_info":{"display_name":"Lyonel Kaufmann","author_link":"https:\/\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/histoire\/author\/lyonelk\/"},"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/histoire\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/06\/signature_lk2.jpg?fit=658%2C184&ssl=1","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p1rJVM-1by","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":5919,"url":"https:\/\/lyonelkaufmann.ch\/histoire\/2012\/08\/13\/le-retour-de-la-chine-au-centre-histoire-globale\/","url_meta":{"origin":4560,"position":0},"title":"Le retour de la Chine au centre &#124; Histoire Globale","author":"Lyonel Kaufmann","date":"13 ao\u00fbt 2012","format":false,"excerpt":"La Chine se r\u00e9approprie-t-elle la place qui \u00e9tait la sienne au 18e si\u00e8cle, alors qu\u2019elle pesait aussi lourd dans l\u2019\u00e9conomie mondiale que l\u2019Europe\u2009? 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